Exxon Mobile 2008: Profits vs Taxes

Exxon Mobile has released their 2008 Financial and Operating Review. Looking on page 16 (18 of the PDF) we find that Exxon made a profit of $45.22 billion — and paid $112.757 billion in taxes. For every dollar in profit, there was $2.49 in taxes.

Kudos to Obama

Kudos to Obama for sending the military after the pirates and then getting out of the military’s way.

And kudos to the military for getting the job done without loss  of innocent life.

Classical Liberty Liberalism vs Neo-Fascist Liberalism

Someone claimed that my post regarding Only Buddhists and Atheists was stating that all atheists are as evil as Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, and Mao. That certainly is an interesting misinterpretation and certainly was not my intent. My intent was to show that the vast majority of the evil of the 20th century did occur because of atheists in power. This is a fact.

The problem that non-Christians have with Christians being in political power is that some Christians want to take away some rights (e.g., abortion) and want to blur the line between church and state (e.g., Bush’s faith based charities). This is a fact. And that is why I contend that government should not be allowed the power or authority to take away rights: abortion, guns, freedom of speech, privacy (5th amendment protections), or any other right..

I will contend that my position is the classical liberal / liberty position as opposed to the, for lack of a better description, neo-fascist liberal position that wants to control what people say (college speech codes), what people eat (fatty foods), what people smoke (tobacco), and what people do (too numerous to mention).

The scary part is that the classical liberal establishment that has traditionally been there to safe guard liberty from the encroachment of government tends to turn a blind eye when those encroachments are being conducted by someone who calls themselves “liberal” (even though they clearly are from the neo-fascist side of the house).

Specifically, how much hue-and-cry was [rightly] heard when Bush had his warrantless searches? How much hue-and-cry is there when Obama does an even worse job than Bush with regards to warrantless searches?

We [rightly] heard endlessly about how Bush was trashing the U.S. Constitution. Most of those same complaints can be lodged against the current administration and even more complaints piled on (Gitmo, warantless searches, controlling wages, targeting a small subset of the population for new confiscatory taxes).

I shouldn’t have to say this, but I voted against Bush in every election that I had the opportunity to. But I’m not so blind or so stupid to believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The current crop of Democrats [sic] are not the friend of liberty. Just because it was called the German Democratic Republic doesn’t mean that it was either democratic or a republic.

So Called “Liberal” Lumps Blacks In With KKK

Interesting.  I was in an internet conversation with someone who is so full of hate that I’m seriously afraid that they’re going to pop a blood vessel.  He cut off the conversation by automatically deleting my comments (and most of my comments are “calm down” at this point).

We’re told over and over again by the media and the Democratic Party that the Republicans and Christians are the ones that are the hate mongers.  In this case, I’m sorry to say, it’s a liberal.  I haven’t seen enough of his views to tell if he is a libertarian liberal or a neo-fascist liberal.  He is pro-gay marriage — and hates Christians to the point that he can’t see straight.

It’s interesting, in a depressing sort of way, that so many people who fancy themselves “open minded” and “liberal” are so thoroughly bigoted and close minded.  They aren’t able to discuss their point of view rationally enough that their response is simply to shut down those who point out where they are wrong.

Okay, I should probably point out that the person is claiming that the people who voted for Prop 8 are the same ones that were denying civil rights to blacks.  I had the audacity to point that blacks voted for Prop 8 (53%) compared to the whites (49%).  If it had been up to the whites, it would have failed.  He is effectively lumping blacks in with the KKK — which is beyond insulting.

Barney Frank Attacks Scalia

It looks like Barney Frank is attacking Justice Anthony Scalia because Scalia has a principled view on what is and what is not within the courts power to do.

Specifically, Frank called Scalia a “homophobe” in an interview with a pro-gay web site. Turns out that Scalia doesn’t believe that it is up to the courts to decide about gay marriage, but rather it is up to the legislature or up to people to change the constitution. Please note: Scalia hasn’t taken a stance on the issue of gay marriage, only on whether the courts should decide such matters. But that doesn’t stop Barney Frank’s ad hominem attack.

By the way, since when does the federal government decide who can and who cannot get married? You will note it is not against federal law for brother and sisters to marry. It is against state law. The issue of marriage should not be a federal issue. It rightly belongs as a state issue.

Scottish Eggs

I got this recipe from a friend. Going online I found several more complex recipes, but this one is rather straight forward and the Scottish Eggs keep well in the refrigerator (making great breakfasts on the go).

Ingredients

• 12 soft boiled eggs with shells removed
• 29 oz ground sausage (I use mild Italian sausage … but only because I don’t care for breakfast sausage).

Directions

1. Preheat oven to 350º F
2. For each egg, take 2.4 oz of sausage and flatten into a thin oval and wrap around the egg.  Ensure that the entire egg is covered and try to eliminate the seem.  Place on deep cookie-sheet.
3. Bake at 350º F for 30 to 40 minutes.

2.4 oz  per egg? Huh?

2.4 oz per egg?!  28.8 oz for a dozen eggs?!  The sausage that I buy comes in a 1 pound package with 5 sausages.  I remove the casings and for each egg use about 3/4 of one link.  16 oz package divided by 5 sausages times 3 divided by 4 yields 2.4 oz.

For every 3 links I can cover 4 eggs.

Gays Attack Marriage

I admit that I didn’t buy the argument made during the campaign for California’s Proposition 8 that gay marriage was an attack on traditional marriage. That some how that gays getting the right to marry was their sinister plan to end traditional marriage. But it looks like I was wrong. Looks like the gays are trying to eliminate traditional marriage.

LifeSiteNews.com is reporting that

California same-sex “marriage” supporters are collecting signatures to support a ballot initiative that would remove civil marriage from California law entirely, as well as the provision codifying marriage as between a man and a woman.

I’m willing to bet that this backfires on them. It will get those who were middle of the road, “live and let live” types to oppose the gay agenda.

Turkey Mole

This recipe is from Southwest Slow Cooking by Tammy Biber and Theresa Howell

Ingredients

• ¼ C sesame seeds, lightly toasted
• 2 Tbs chopped fresh cilantro
• ¼ tsp ground cinnamon
• ½ tsp salt
• 1/8 tsp ground cloves
• 1 Tbs brown sugar
• 1 tsp ground cumin
• ½ tsp cayenne
• 1 tsp dried oregano
• 2 Tbs cornmeal
• 3 Tbs cocoa
• 1 pound boneless turkey breast
• 1 Tbs vegetable oil
• 1 onion, chopped
• 4 cloves garlic, crushed
• 1 (10-ounce) can pureed tomatoes
• 2 chipotle chiles in adobo sauce, seeded
• 2 Tbs raisins
• 1 C chicken stock
• 5 ancho chiles, seeded, stemmed, and chopped
• ¼ C cashews, taosted and chopped
• Fresh cilantro

Only Buddhists and Atheists

Recently I had lunch with a friend and his daughter. The daughter graduated from a top university in California and went on for a masters degree abroad. Somewhere along the way she was thoroughly indoctrinated in modern ignorance. I state this because she made the statement that Christians shouldn’t be trusted with government and that only Buddhists and Atheists should be allowed to vote.

At the time I made the comment that having a government that actually lived up to the principals of turn the other cheek, do unto others, and love thy neighbor as thyself would be quite a refreshing change.

I wish that I had followed it up by asking if she would have preferred to live under Stalin, Mao, Lenin, or Pol Pot. All outstanding atheistic leaders of the twentieth century.

Proposition States in Financial Disarray

I was listening to NPR just before the elections and the reporter was interviewing the “King of Propositions” in Washington state. The reporter commented that states that allow propositions are generally in financial disarray compared to states that don’t. Being from California, where the state is on the verge of running out of funds to continue operation, I can certainly relate to that concept. The joker from NPR then made the [probably] off the cuff remark that this was because people in proposition states constantly vote to reduce taxes. Say what?!?

Well, I finally got around to researching the California propositions that passed in the last 8 years (since 2000). Guess how many times Californians voted to reduce taxes … Zero. Nada. Not once since 2000. That said, they voted to raise taxes six times – a total of $942,600,000 annual increase in taxes.

Okay, if it’s not because they vote themselves tax cuts, what about spending increases? Since 2000, Californians have voted to increase the annual state spending commitments by $7,920,000,000 dollars. Most of that is servicing the $188,627,000,000 bond cost ($98,385,000,000 in bonds and $90,242,000,000 in interest payments).

So once again we have a complete misrepresentation of reality by NPR. They took something that could easily be researched and instead decided to overlay their own ignorant political biases on what could have been a decent investigative report.

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Black Hole of Ignorance

Recently my high school aged daughter and some friends were having a discussion in History. One of the kids brought up the subject of children. My daughter said:

Children are nothing but a black hole of need.

One of the ignorant morons in the group immediately said “That’s Racist!” (say what?!?)

The teacher happened by then and turned to my daughter and said “You can’t say such things.” To which my daughter replied “What should I say, ‘children are a white hole of need’?!?” The teacher then asked if she wanted to go to the principal’s office.

Okay, I can understand (but not excuse) the stupidity on the part of the student for not knowing what a black hole is. After all, the poor ignoramus was raised in public schools. But what’s the teacher’s execuse?

The Big Three Dinosaurs

It appears to be Christmas season. That time of year filled with holiday cheer where gifts are exchanged. Of course the American auto industry is begging for a gift from Washington. Why? Because years of gross incompetence have finally caught up with them.

My grandfather retired with GM. My father was always a Chrysler man. Me? I’ll go with Honda.

In the late 80s and 90s my wife and I worked for a company that had us traveling quite a bit and they provided a company car – usually a Ford. These cars, which we picked up new from the dealer, were the most worthless piles of junk. After picking up a new car one Friday, my wife and I took another couple out somewhere. When the woman got into the back seat and closed the door the entire side molding came off in her hand. She was chagrined. My wife thought it was funny. That Monday she told the story to her boss who broke out laughing – seems his three year old son had done the same thing to his brand new Ford.

Good thing quality was job one for Ford at the time. I would hate to think what would have happened if it had been job two or three.

In the 2000s, my wife and I settled on Hondas. While they aren’t made in Detroit, they are assembled in America. Would I ever consider buying a Ford, GM, or Chrysler? I’m not a gambler. I won’t bet 20,000 dollars that I won’t get yet another lemon from them.

So we have incompetent management, incompetent workers, producing inferior, over priced products and they are begging for our tax dollars to spare themselves from the consequences of their own actions. Sounds like the “big three” dinosaurs should go extinct.

Black Forest Torte Cake

This has become the favorite for birthdays. The slices can be rather small because the cake is so rich. The biggest trick is conning someone into making it for you.

Unusual Tools

• four 9” round layer pans
• large mixer bowl
• mixer
• vegetable peeler

Ingredients

• 1-3/4 cups flour
• 1-3/4 cups and 1-1/2 teaspoons sugar, used separately
• 1-1/4 teaspoons baking soda
• 1 teaspoon salt
• 1/4 teaspoon baking powder
• 2/3 cup and 3/4 cup soft margarine, used separately
• 4 squares (1 ounce each) Baker’s Unsweetened Chocolate
• 2 bars (4 ounces each) Baker’s German Sweet Chocolate
• 1-1/4 cups water
• 1 teaspoon and 1/2 teaspoon vanilla, used separately
• 3 eggs
• 1 cup whipping cream
• 1/2 cup chopped toasted almonds

Democrats Looking to Seize Your 401(k)

It looks like powerful House Democrats are looking to seize people’s 401(k) retirement money.

I always had the feeling when the Roth IRA’s came out that the thieving SOBs in Washington wouldn’t be able to keep their hands off of the money that people earn. This is a complete betrayal of trust as the Democrats systematically seize money from people who had the audacity to plan, work hard, and save for their futures. And to top it off, the news media in their role as Democrat cheerleaders are going to spin the theft as a good thing.

You have to wonder if the Democrats want everyone living in cardboard boxes when they retire. Not only are they thinking of seizing our 401(k) retirement, but look at the wonderful things that the Democrats did to destroy Social Security:

• Franklin Roosevelt created Social Security promising:
  • Participation would be voluntary (yeah, right)
  • Participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual income.
  • Money put into the program would be tax deductible.
  • The money would be put into an independent “Trust Fund”.
  • The annuities would never be taxed as income.
• Lyndon Johnson and the Democrats destroyed the special “Trust Fund”, putting the monies into the general fund so that Congress could spend it.
• The Democrats destroyed the tax deduction for Social Security withholdings.
• Jimmy Carter and the Democrats started giving Social Security payments to immigrants (even if they wouldn’t have qualified due to not paying into the system), further undermining the economic foundation of the system.
• Al Gore cast the deciding vote to allow the Democrats to start taxing Social Security annuities.

If it weren’t for the pure advocacy position of “journalists” then the Democrats would be run out of office as the destroyers of Social Security and people’s private retirement plans.

The Credit Melt Down and an Honest Columnist

It looks like there is finally an honest newspaper columnist — and a Democrat to boot — regarding the credit / housing melt down. Orson Scott Card, a newspaper columnist and a Democrat lays out the history of the current economic disaster and makes it clear who is to blame — and ultimately the blame belongs with the Democrats and with Barack Obama.

The salient points that Mr. Card makes include:

• Under Clinton (1990s) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans for [Democrat] political purposes.
• The Republicans tried to tighten regulation to prevent the disaster, but the Democrats were able to block such efforts.
• Freddie and Fannie — while receiving government funds as quasi-governmental agencies — were donating big time to those who were able to funnel money their way (and Barack Obama was one of the largest recipients).
• Alan Greenspan tried to warn congress.
• Bush’s Treasury Secretary tried to warn congress.
• Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats [falsely] accused the Bush administration of causing the problem and the news media repeats the lie and damns the Republicans for objecting to the lie.

I was taught while growing up that the news media and free press were there to protect us from government tyranny. Unfortunately, the established news outlets have abdicated their role as objective reporters of the truth and have taken on the mantel of advocacy, even if they have to lie to do it.

It’s no wonder that the term journalist is a slur and they are even less respected than lawyers.

Book Review: Science of Discworld III: Darwin’s Watch

If you’re looking for preachy evangelical atheism, this book is for you. When I grab a Terry Pratchett book, I expect an multi-level fantasy escape – something that can be read for pure enjoyment on one level and have interesting commentary on the human condition on another level. I really don’t want to be preached at by someone trying to show how their world view is right and everyone else is a nut job.

Unfortunately, the hammer beating for evangelical atheism is not disguised under an amusing story that is pleasant to read. The disc world characters are are ancillary and appear to be thrown in as an after thought.

I note that there are three authors and I am willing to bet that one can pick out which pieces were written by Terry Pratchett and which pieces were written by people who don’t appear to be able to soft sell their position (to be fair, I’ve never heard of Jack Cohen or Ian Stewart before, but after this book I’ll only pay attention to them to avoid their writings).

To be clear, I personally want my pharmaceutical research scientist to have a firm grasp of genetics, mutations, microbiology, and the evolutionary process. However, I completely fail to see the value of ensuring that the Wal-Mart greeter professes a belief or understanding of evolutionary atheism.

If those of us with a scientific bent were honest and examined the implications of a complete acceptance of the evolutionary atheistic position, we would realize that there are basically two rational positions that a person could hold: the vegan starving under the tree for the fruit to fall before they will eat it because all genetic material is of equal value or the national socialist’s practicing active eugenics to ensure that their genetic material is given preferential treatment. Neither of these positions would create a society that I would want to live in.

Bottom line, if you are looking for heavy handed preaching for evolutionary atheism this is the book for you. If you’re looking for one of Terry Pratchett’s wonderful disc world novels, keep looking.

Media Credibility Issues

Ars Technica has an article entitled Despite credibility issues, online news consumption grows. Credibility issues? Like Dan Rather fabricating evidence? Hmmm. Maybe the established media, with such flagrant biases had the audience to lose rather than the online media have the audience to win.

When you listen to the established media news outlets — both television, news radio (versus talk radio), and newspapers — and pay attention, you can hear their bias though they try to claim to be impartial. Talk radio at least is honest enough to state that they have a bias.

So, no. The story isn’t “despite credibility issues, online news consumption grows”. The story is due to credibility issues, established media loses audience.

Man Beheads Fellow Passenger in Canada

When the snipper shootings were going on in the D.C. area, I was pretty sure that it was some disgruntled, 20 to 30 year old, single, white men. I was wrong. I might be this time to … but for some reason I doubt it.

It looks like a passenger in Canada stabbed and beheaded a fellow passenger. As of this writing the police aren’t releasing the name of either the victim or the criminal. I wonder why they aren’t releasing the name of the perpetrator? Could it be that it sounds too ethnic? Could it offend the religion of peace submission to announce the man’s name? By the way, which group is it that has a habit of beheading their victims? Oh that’s right, but we mustn’t say anything negative about them or they’ll turn violent on us …

Double Layer Pumpkin Pie

This has become a standard around Thanksgiving time.

Ingredients

• 4 ounces cream cheese, softened
• 1 tablespoon milk or half-and-half
• 1 tablespoon sugar
• 1½ cups thawed Cool Whip™ topping
• 1 graham cracker pie crust
• 1 cup cold milk or half-and-half
• 1 can (16 oz) pumpkin
• 2 packages (4-serving size) vanilla instant pudding & pie filling
• 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
• ½ teaspoon ground ginger
• ¼ teaspoon ground cloves

Having Kids At An Early Age

Math problem: My sister and her husband effectively had three kids when they were 20. My wife and I had three kids when we were 30. Assuming that all of our descendants follow our lead, when we die at age 80, how many people will call us ancestor?

Answer: My wife and I will have 12, my sister and her husband will have 120. Ten times as many.

Now, who is better able to afford three kids – a 20 year old couple or a 30 year old couple? Unless you’re a Rockefeller, if you have three kids when you’re 20, you will live in poverty.

To add insult to injury, my genius sister went on Food Stamps – making me and mine pay for her irresponsible behavior. The geniuses at the state welfare office made it pretty clear that if her husband were to take a long hike (and not come back) she would get even more taxpayer money. Given that he is basically unemployable, I’m surprised that she didn’t take the state up on their offer.

Federal Reserve versus Europe

I heard on National Public Radio yesterday that the head of the Federal Reserve was going over to the European central bank and effectively beg them not to raise interest rates. If the Europeans raise interest rates, the American dollar will go into a free fall against the Euro and inflation will start to really take off in the United States.

So what should be done? Frankly, when the current genius at the Federal Reserve responded to the credit crunch by lowering interest rates I thought he was a bit daft. If the goal is get people to move their money away from stocks and into banks where others can borrow money to buy homes then instead of lowering interest rates, they should be raising interest rates.

If the bank is paying poor interest on passbook savings, why would anybody in their right mind leave the money in the banks?

I Can’t Drive 55: Senator Wants New National Speed Limit

It appears that a Senator John Warner (R-Virginia) thinks he knows better how to drive in the west than the people that live in the west.  The good (*cough* *cough* *choke*) senator wishes to reimpose a national speed limit.  This is the ultimate in bureaucratic idiocy.   Okay, it looks like Hillary also wants this piece of nonsense.

Someone should take him out to some desert in the west — one of those places with a long, straight ribbon of highway with no vehicles in sight for miles — and tell him that he can’t exceed 55mph.  Unfortunately, he’s probably too old and senile and wouldn’t learn anything from the experiment.

Too many of the senators — probably people in Washington as a whole — are used to either flying everywhere or having someone else chauffeur them around while they drink margaritas or play on their laptops.

There are things that the national government should decide and there are things that the states should decide.  Speed limits are clearly something that the states should decide.

Belgium Woman Raped For Not Wearing Veil

It looks like a Belgium woman was raped in the capital of Europe for not wearing a veil. Wonder how long Europe will remain even semi-free? Will burkas be required dress in America before Barack Hussein Obama leaves office?

Was this rape against the teachings of Islam? Against what the prophet did and taught? Aren’t we told — repeatedly — that Islam is the religion of peace?

Card Game: 7-Point Cut-Throat Pitch With Phantom

Another variation of Pitch derived from 7-Point Cut-Throat Pitch, played with 4 players.

Equipment

• Standard deck of 52 cards with two distinguishable jokers – one considered “high” and one considered “low”.
• Four (4) people
• Something to keep score (paper and pen)

Short Version

The short version is take the rules for 7-Point Cut-Throat Pitch and add a “phantom” player.

The phantom is dealt cards like a regular player but [obviously] doesn’t bid nor play. After the four human players bid and play out the hand by the standard cut-throat rules and scoring begins, the phantom hand is turned over for all to see. The phantom is considered to have captured all six cards in the phantom’s hand and is assigned to a team depending on whether or not it holds the high trump or low trump (or both). The phantom’s points are added to its teams points.

Note that it is usually embarrassing to have the phantom beat you.

Racism on National Public Radio

I was listening to the National Public Radio station out of Las Vegas tonight and they were interviewing Gustavo Arellano. Gustavo Arellano writes a column in the OC Weekly entitled Ask the Mexican. I must admit that it has been a long time since I’ve heard such a flaming racist on the air as Mr. Arellano. (No, I don’t think I can stomach Don Imus).

Mr. Arellano proudly proclaims that he calls whites “gabacho” which he (and Google) claim is a derogatory Spanish term to describe “foreigners”. He justifies his racism by claiming that people are racist to him by calling him “the Mexican” — please note of course that he calls his column Ask the Mexican. He also proudly claimed that he uses racists epithets for blacks and Asians as well.

If he had been a white espousing racism so freely, I doubt that the National Public Radio would have interviewed him in such a positive light.

Garlic White Sauce with Ravioli

I’m not sure where we picked up this recipe … but it’s probably my favorite white sauce recipe.

Ingredients

• 1 stick butter (1/4 pound)
• 25 cloves chopped garlic
• 1/2 cup chopped parsley
• 1/2 cup chopped green onions
• 3 cups chopped mushrooms
• 2 tablespoons flour
• 1/2 cup dry white wine
• 1 pint heavy whipping cream
• 5 ounces grated Parmesan cheese
• 2 packages of ravioli

Get Over It

Newsmax.com is reporting that Obama tells Hillary supporters to ‘get over it’. Caused some Hillary supporters to be offended.  Talk about hypersensitive. Here’s the quote:

“If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”

Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., a longtime Clinton supporter, did not like those last three words — “Get over it.” Watson said she finds them to be dismissive and off-putting.

If Diane Watson really is so worked up over what Obama said, she should retire from politics and go for binge drinking. Nobody should be that stressed out.

Movie Review: Faith of My Fathers

We rented Faith of My Fathers – a biography / infomercial for John McCain made back in 2005. The setting is the Viet Nam war starting just before McCain gets shot down and tossed into prison and concludes shortly after he is let out of prison. The credits list McCain as a technical consultant for the movie. What I walked away with from the movie is that John McCain is stubborn and stupid. Unlike his modern persona of being the “great compromiser,” the movie portrays him as one who digs in his heals even when he doesn’t have to. His temper also plays a role in the movie.

On a complete tangent, a show on public radio today (Public Radio International?) ran an interview with the camp commander from when McCain was in prison. He stated that he would vote for his “friend” McCain. He also categorically denied that the prisoners were ever tortured (the reporter indicated that this directly contradicted a number of Americans’ testimony).

Card Game: 7-Point Cut-Throat Pitch

This is another variation of the Pitch card game, playable with 5 players.

Equipment

• Standard deck of 52 cards with two distinguishable jokers – one considered “high” and one considered “low”.
• Five (5) people
• Something to keep score (paper and pen)

Short Version

The short version is take the rules for 7-Point Partnership Pitch and keep score for each player individually.

“Teams” are formed on a hand-by-hand basis. The player dealt the high of trump is partnered with the person dealt the low of trump; all other players are on the other team. Until you’ve seen the ace and deuce of trump, you won’t know who is teamed with whom until the last card is played. If the same person has both the high and low of trump, they are a team unto themselves.

All people on the team with the high bidder are responsible for the bid. If the team does not take the required number of points, everyone on the team goes down by the number of points bid. (Bidding 7 just to take as many people down with you as you can is considered poor sportsmanship and is something I discovered that my kids really hate. Not that I’ve done this. Recently anyway).

As in 7-Point Partnership, play continues until someone reaches 21 or more points. In case more than one player goes over 21 then if the bidder was one of the players, they win. If the bidder did not go over 21 then whoever has the highest score wins. If two or more people are tied as the highest over 21 and the bidder did not go over 21, play proceeds until a winner is found (and it may not be one of the people that originally tied).

Applying the Democrats’ 10 Year Investement Strategy

If we apply the Democrat’s 10 Year Rule of Energy Investment to other things (in other words if they don’t pay off within 10 years they should be eliminated), then we should:

• Eliminate any form of retirement savings — it takes longer than 10 years to save for retirement and for most people, its more than 10 years away. So, using the Democratic logic we should eliminate all savings for retirement.
• Eliminate primary and secondary education — it takes more than 10 years to educate kids and it takes a while after they graduate before they’ve paid back the investment. So, using the Democratic logic we should eliminate schools.
• Eliminate home ownership — it takes longer than 10 years to buy the house, usually there’s a 30 year mortgage which is three times longer than the Democrats think investments should be made.
• Eliminate the War on Poverty — it’s been 40 years and the poor are still with us. So, by Democratic logic we should eliminate it.
• Eliminate Social Security — okay, this is a repeat of eliminating retirement savings (ignoring of course that Social Security is not a retirement plan but a pyramid scheme).

Following the Democratic [sic] logic, what other things should be eliminated?